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  • 1.  NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Silver Most Valuable Member
    Posted 02-07-2023 12:32 PM
    A  CPA in our building received this from another CPA. Does anyone know if this is a legitimate adjustment. The instructions still indicate that it is only viable for farms. Our software, Ultra tax and his software Lacerte make no adjustments for this or give any diagnostics that this even exists.

    S-201: Small business modification If you meet the definition of a small business (see below) or are a member, partner, or shareholder of an LLC, partnership, or New York S corporation that meets the definition of a small business (see below), then you may deduct an amount equal to 15% of the net items of income, gain, loss, and deduction attributable to that business that are included in your federal adjusted gross income. Do not enter an amount less than zero. For purposes of this subtraction modification, a small business means: • a sole proprietor who employs one or more persons during the tax year, and has net business income or net farm income of greater than zero but less than $250,000; or • an LLC, partnership, or New York S corporation that employs one or more persons during the tax year, and has net farm income attributable to a farm business that is greater than zero but less than $250,000; or • an LLC, partnership, or New York S corporation that employs one or more persons during the tax year, and has New York gross business* income attributable to a non-farm business that is greater than zero but less than $1,500,000. In addition, in order to qualify for this subtraction modification, a taxpayer who is a member, partner, or shareholder of an LLC, partnership, or New York S corporation, that is a non-farm small business, must have income attributable to the net business income from its ownership interests that is less than $250,000. Note: For purposes of this modification, New York gross business income, for an LLC or a partnership, means New York source gross income as defined in Tax Law § 658(c)(3)(B). For a New York S corporation, New York gross business income means the New York receipts included in the numerator of the apportionment factor determined under Tax Law § 210-A. For more information, see New for 2022 (search: 2022).

     I could not find this paragraph in any of my research.




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    Gabriel Bentovim
    HOFFMAN & BENTOVIM, CPAs PC
    Commack NY
    631-499-1500
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  • 2.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Silver Most Valuable Member
    Posted 02-07-2023 01:24 PM

    NY Small Business Subtraction Modification:

    This is something that was only available to Sole Proprietors with at least one employee prior to 2022.  If one's Sch C had less than $250,000 net ioncome, NY allowed a 5% reduction to net income. See https://www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/memos/multitax/m14_3c_5i.pdf

     Beginning in 2022, the 5% was increased to 15% and is now available to sole proprietors, S-Corps, and Partnerships, if qualifications are met. 
    Read this paragraph from a Hodgson Russ 4/12/22 Publication:

    Part C of the Budget increases the small business subtraction modification percentage in both the State and City personal income taxes, and expands the modification-previously available only to proprietorships with at least one employee and net business income or farm income of less than $250,000-to include members of certain flow-through entities that are small businesses or farm businesses.  Beginning in 2022, the subtraction modification will be increased from 5% to 15%, and it will be available to:  (a) sole proprietors with one or more employees and less than $250,000 of net business income or net farm income; (b) owners of New York S corporations and tax-partnerships with one or more employees and net farm income of less than $250,000; and (c) owners of New York S corporations and tax-partnerships with one or more employees and less than $1.5 million of "New  York gross business income" attributable to a non-farm business.  For tax-partnerships, "New York gross business income" is defined by reference to Tax Law § 658(c)(3)(B)'s definition of "New York source gross income."  And for New York S corporations, "New York gross business income" is defined by reference to the receipts included in the numerator of the corporation's apportionment factor.   Non-farm flow-through entity owners otherwise entitled to the small business subtraction modification will be disqualified if the sum of their income from such entities exceeds $250,000.



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    Marc Lusthaus
    CPA
    ROBERT S. LUSTHAUS, CPA PC
    Plainview NY
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  • 3.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Platinum Most Valuable Member
    Posted 02-07-2023 01:43 PM
    Its questions on topics such as this one that make a NCCPAP membership so VALUABLE and
    make all tax practitioners look so smart in our client's eyes!

    Keep the questions coming!

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    Michael Jaffe
    CPA
    MICHAEL B. JAFFE, CPA PC
    Commack NY
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  • 4.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Bronze Most Valuable Member
    Posted 02-07-2023 01:55 PM

    So this IS A VALID DEDUCTION within the parameters for S corporations and LLC's starting in 2022!

     

     

    Ira D. Kriegsman,  CPA  - Ira D Kriegsman CPA PC, 475 Park Avenue South 24th Floor New York, New York 10016 Tel: 212-972-7365 Fax: 212-518-2652 Cell: 917-833-9636 web site:www.kriegsman.tax
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  • 5.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Gold Most Valuable Member
    Posted 02-08-2023 07:07 AM
    1) Are S Corp owner employees considered employees for the modification? and,

    2) Does this apply when an S Corp's only employee is the 100% shareholder of the S Corp and all other criteria are met?

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    Mark Dolinger CPA
    MSD CPA, PC
    Plainview NY
    516-783-1223
    msdcpa@outlook.com
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  • 6.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Bronze Most Valuable Member
    Posted 02-08-2023 07:53 AM
    Yes
    The sole shareholder is now in 2022 treated the same as a sole proprietor filing a schedule C

    Sent from my iPad





  • 7.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Posted 02-08-2023 03:47 PM
    Does that mean then that a sole proprietor without employees qualifies if they meet the income criteria? Otherwise it seems the s corp owner/sole employee is treated better.

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    Mary Sherman
    MARY SHERMAN, CPA, CGMA
    Hicksville NY
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  • 8.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Posted 02-09-2023 01:09 PM

    In part a) "sole proprietor with one or more employees", does the sole proprietor alone
    qualify as he/she is self EMPLOYED?

    Arnie





  • 9.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Bronze Most Valuable Member
    Posted 02-09-2023 01:22 PM

    no

    the Schedule C owner with no employees DOES NOT QUALIFY

    the S corp sole shareholder does qualify if he/she/they are the only employee



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    Ira Kriegsman
    IRA D KRIEGSMAN CPA PC
    Woodbury NY
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  • 10.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Posted 02-09-2023 03:40 PM
    Thanks for the reply, Ira.






  • 11.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Posted 02-09-2023 01:19 PM

    Is a self employed individual considered an employee for this deduction (no other

    employees) because he/she is self EMPLOYED?



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    [Arnie] Fink
    CPA
    ARNOLD FINK, CPA
    COMMACK NY
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  • 12.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Silver Most Valuable Member
    Posted 02-09-2023 03:04 PM
    the rule says schedule c with one or more employees.  i would not think that the owner of the schedule c qualifies.  if it did, why bother to even mention.  every schedule c owner would qualify.

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    Larry Prosky CPA
    Prosky & Rosenfeld LLP CPAs

    1025 Old Country Road
    Suite 403 W
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  • 13.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Posted 02-09-2023 04:24 PM
    Thanks for the reply.






  • 14.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Posted 02-08-2023 10:38 AM

    We are also using UltraTax and haven't seen any diagnostics to indicate this should be calculated.  Looks like it may need to be an override until they update.  Does anyone know where/how this is reported? Ultimately it will end up on the personal form but where do we indicate the subtraction modification to be reported on the corp or partnership K-1?  The IT-225 directly or is there an additional source form?

     

    Kim Perlman, CPA

    Breiter & Raines, LLP

    20 Squadron Blvd Suite 210B

    New City, NY 10956

     

    845-708-0200 Phone

    845-570-5011 Fax

     






  • 15.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Silver Most Valuable Member
    Posted 02-09-2023 08:02 AM
    I use Ultra Tax also.  I haven't seen diagnostics on SBMA yet.  There are still many issues  and unanswered questions with this new adjustment.  I have a feeling it's more NY State than UT.  In any event, I was able to work around it by using code 201 on the adjustments screen of a NY Sub S.  Technically, the official instructions have not been updated yet on CT-255 (it only mentions farm income), though they have updated the IT-255 instructions.  It seems to be an adequate work-around since it doesn't impact corporate tax and gives the shareholder the information they need for their personals.  I can't wait any longer and won't put all my Sub S returns on extension.  Between partnership returns and city returns, the back-up for e-filing keeps growing.

    You can call me this afternoon if you have questions since I use UT also.

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    Larry Prosky CPA
    Prosky & Rosenfeld LLP CPAs

    1025 Old Country Road
    Suite 403 W
    Westbury, NY 11590
    Direct: 516-873-9600 x1
    Fax: 516-873-9602
    Cell (Text) 516-661-6020
    Other: 516-785-5658
    e-mail: larry@prcpallp.com


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  • 16.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Posted 02-10-2023 10:13 AM

    Hello everyone ... I have a situation where the partnership qualifies for this deduction and is a NY LLC, with also having operations in NJ... i would say approx. 35% of their receipts are NJ sourced.... in this situation, once we get clarity on calculation of the deduction, do you include only NY sourced income OR entire Federal income?... i know it maybe a tough question to answer but i am hoping someone else is also running into this issue... thank you.



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    Anubhav Chopra CPA
    Anubhav Chopra CPA PC
    Syosset NY
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  • 17.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Silver Most Valuable Member
    Posted 02-10-2023 10:21 AM
    for partnerships, it's New York gross business income--by reference to definition of NY source gross income.

    for sub s corporations, it's New York source gross income by reference to receipts included in the numerator of the apportionment factor.

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    Larry Prosky CPA
    Prosky & Rosenfeld LLP CPAs

    1025 Old Country Road
    Suite 403 W
    Westbury, NY 11590
    Direct: 516-873-9600 x1
    Fax: 516-873-9602
    Cell (Text) 516-661-6020
    Other: 516-785-5658
    e-mail: larry@prcpallp.com


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  • 18.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Posted 02-10-2023 10:39 AM

    Thank you Larry... appreciate it.



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    Anubhav Chopra CPA
    Anubhav Chopra CPA PC
    Syosset NY
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  • 19.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Posted 02-10-2023 11:48 AM
    Edited by Matthew R Savello 02-10-2023 11:55 AM

    In computing the 15% adjustment, assuming all sourced income are from NY and meet the criteria, are we simply using 15% of the federal net income or is it net of NYS adjustments such as NYS Franchise Tax addbacks, depreciation adjustments, etc.. I want to make the adjustment on the S Corp return using CT-225 line S-201 but there is no calculations with my program, just a manual input. 

    On the Individual instructions, it states "then you may deduct an amount equal to 15% of the net items of income, gain, loss, and deduction attributable to that business that are included in your federal adjusted gross income"  

    So my assumption is on the corporate return on form CT-225, simply take 15% of the ordinary income without taking into account any state adjustments already made and input that # on Line S-201; but that doesn't seem right. What do you guys think?



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    MATTHEW SAVELLO CPA
    FUENTES & ANGEL CPAs LLC
    Commack NY
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  • 20.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Silver Most Valuable Member
    Posted 02-10-2023 12:03 PM
    NYS has provided little to no guidance on this and other pertinent questions.  So we have to either put these returns on extension or make assumptions and use our own logic.  

    That said, I have used page 2 of the NYS Sub S return.  I will factor in federal taxable income including interest income and S 179 but I will not factor in NYS tax addbacks.  I think that is reasonable and conservative since the addbacks would increase NY income.

    Again, I am using code 201 on the CT-225 even though the instructions are not quite as up to date as the IT-255 instructions.  Essentially, this is informational only, since it won't impact the tax calculation of the corporation.  It is the equivalent of a footnote to the NY K-1.

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    Larry Prosky CPA
    Prosky & Rosenfeld LLP CPAs

    1025 Old Country Road
    Suite 403 W
    Westbury, NY 11590
    Direct: 516-873-9600 x1
    Fax: 516-873-9602
    Cell (Text) 516-661-6020
    Other: 516-785-5658
    e-mail: larry@prcpallp.com


    Any accounting, business or tax advice contained in this communication, including attachments and enclosures, is not intended as a thorough, in-depth analysis of specific issues, nor a substitute for a formal opinion, nor is it sufficient to avoid tax-related penalties.  If desired, Prosky & Rosenfeld LLP CPAs would be pleased to perform the required research and provide you with a detailed written analysis.  Such an engagement may be the subject of a separate engagement letter that would define the scope and limits of the desired consultation services.  


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  • 21.  RE: NYS SMALL BUSINESS ADJUSTMENT

    Posted 02-10-2023 12:08 PM

    Yea that's what I thought, thanks for the input



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    Matthew Savello CPA
    PRESTIGE TAX & ACCOUNTING, LLC
    COMMACK NY
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